My hope for Hillary

The first thing I need to say is that I had previously voiced my opposition to Hillary being Obama's VP.  I take that back.  Her speech today was gracious and I think Obama could benefit from having such a strong competitor by his side.

That being said, I think that Hillary could accomplish more without being VP.  I would like to see her follow Al Gore's example.  In the past seven years he has accomplished more and earned more respect around the world than Bush even without the title "President of The United States of America."  From his Oscar winning film, to the Nobel Peace Prize he has worked tirelessly to promote awareness about global warming and our need to do something about it.  The problem might not be solved yet, but I feel a lot more confident that something is going to be done about it than I did seven years ago when Bush was pulling out of Kyoto.  Gore has also been an independent voice which had the freedom to speak out against the war and other Bush policies when others were frightened to do so.

I would love to see Hillary follow a similar path.  I had a lot of respect for her when she and Bill first came into the White House.  I loved the way she basically told everyone with traditional views on gender roles to shove it because she wasn't just going to sit around and bake cookies.  I thought the way she was treated was unfair, and hated watching the way she changed in order to deal with it.  One of the reasons that I chose to support Obama in my primary was because I felt like she traded some of her core values for possible political capital in some of her votes in the senate (I know many disagree, but that's my opinion).

What I hope is that Hillary will follow her own path in the same way that Al Gore did after 2000.  I would love to see what she could accomplish by following her own compass without considering the public opinion polls that presidential candidates unfortunately need to heed.  She could use her position in the senate to craft the health care legislation that she promoted during her candidacy, and could use her voice to draw attention to women's issues in the same way that Gore did for the environment.  Although she may not have won the presidency, she won even more respect and attention during this primary season than she had as first lady.  She is correct in that she has millions of supporters.  I would venture to say that there are very few people in the world today who have the ability to draw attention quite like she does.  She could very easily capitalize on that support to create a movement which is larger than her candidacy.  She could encourage her supporters to stay connected and have them lobby congress and donate to organizations in support of important issues.

Although I would much prefer having him in the White House than Bush right now, not being tied down to a political office has allowed Al Gore to follow his passion.  I would love to see Hillary do the same in the next few years.  There are no limits to what she could accomplish without being burdened by the political pressure foisted on presidents and presidential contenders by the punditry.  We haven't really seen her operate without that pressure on the national level, I hope that she uses this loss as an opportunity to shine.



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Re: My hope for Hillary (none / 0)

I think she will play a significant role in Obama's healthcare reform. It is her signature issue much like the environment is Gore's. Perhaps he will even create a special position for her along the lines of health czar. Regardless, expect tons of joint press conferences with the two of them next year on the topic.


by MJJLWolf on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 06:24:03 PM EST

I honestly don't think that Obama could make that (2.00 / 1)

decision.

Obama ran on the platform of defeating universal healthcare. If you look at the history of this issue, you'll see that this is exactly what happened in 1994 and its why Hillary was so ANGRY when Obama adopted essentially the same approach.

I think we all saw the writing on the wall when Obama brought Jim Cooper on, and I would be very surprised if that was not the reason why Obama got so much money. It was the 1994 Clinton-lite debate all over again, and the industry-backed 'solution' won.

Maybe we will have another shot at it in 2016 or 2020.


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
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by architek on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 08:34:57 PM EST
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Re: My hope for Hillary (2.00 / 5)

There can be no doubt that Clinton emerged from the season with much larger stature than before. Before she was seen by some as something partly of Bill's creation. I never agreed with that. No matter what happens, she'll be the most influential member of the Senate next year.

But over the course of the campaign, she came into her own. By persevering after everyone wrote her off and winning a late string of primaries to gain an essential tie in the popular vote, she's built up a national base of supporters and authority that very few other politicians can claim. Her pronouncements on policy issues will be national news, something which is not generally true for other legislators (think whether the news will report what Max Baucus, for example, says about the war in Iraq).

Whatever she chooses to do with this enhanced pulpit of hers, I trust that she'll do it for the good of the American public and the world. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't hope that she'd run for president again. When she does, I'll sign up the very first day, and be with her until the very last.


by OrangeFur on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 06:32:30 PM EST

Re: My hope for Hillary (none / 0)

If she breaks free from the political calculation which I think has been holding her back I would gladly back her as a candidate in eight years.  

I think that one thing we learned this election cycle is that it doesn't always help to make choices that are temporarily beneficial politically.  Iraq hurt her, and I think that McCain's right turn away from being a maverick will hurt him in November.  

The political system of the 90's was shattered by the internet.  She did better during this election cycle when she embraced the internet, grassroots supporters, and a more populist message.  I think that for some of us there were bitter feelings after Dean because the Clinton wing of the party rejected the grassroots as irrelevant rather than appreciating our desire to help the party.  Hopefully she learned that having large numbers of "normal" folks behind you can be a powerful asset.


by Renie on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 07:21:59 PM EST
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Re: My hope for Hillary (2.00 / 2)

I would love to see her and Obama work out a Health Care plan together.  It's one of her signature issues.

I still don't want her as VP.  I don't want Edwards, my first choice for the nomination, as VP either.  I just think, strategically, there are better choices.  Adding the guy who didn't get enough support to make it to Super Tuesday doesn't help a lot, and adding the person who ran a close second makes for a potential battle of wills.


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by juliewolf on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 06:44:28 PM EST

Re: My hope for Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Your reasons for not having Hillary or Edwards as VP make logical sense, but after listening to her brilliant speech today, I have changed my mind and want her for VP. I have been an Obama supporter since Sept and I have total faith that he has the strength of purpose to have HRC as a VP. Hillary connected with my woman side today.


by Roberta on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 07:21:41 PM EST
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Re: My hope for Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I just hope that she does what she thinks it best. Hillary will be just fine, just as she was just fine after many more pressing things than losing an election (like Monica-gate). Personally, I wouldn't be so shocked to see her back in this deal in 4 or 8 years.

If John McAncient can comeback to win a nomination, it should be a piece of cake for Hill.


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by zcflint05 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 07:56:36 PM EST

For Me... (none / 0)

I will not be voting for Obama unless my girl Hil is on the ticket.  That's the LEAST he could.  But the Obama people would not want to sully the spiritual "purity" of Obama by lowering himself to condescend to a Clinton.  You see, he "transcends" politics--I think I heard that 5 million times.


by handsomegent on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 08:32:41 PM EST

Re: For Me... (2.00 / 1)

That's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying that I would be OK with her being VP, but I think that SHE can do better.  I hold Gore in very high esteem.  What he has accomplished is greater than whatever any title could have possibly given him.  NOT being president gave him the freedom to speak and act from the heart.  This in turn led to his being respected far more than our sitting president.  I'd really like to see what Hillary would do or say if she wasn't under political pressure because of a lofty title like president or VP.


by Renie on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:38:04 PM EST
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Re: For Me... (none / 0)

Sigh

But she wants to be president.

Otherwise why go through this primary.

If she doesn't get the pres spot she goes for the VP spot as that positions her for name recognition as the next Democratic nominee.

I'm not sure why folks think she could be doing better else where. This is the position she is still running for. If not this time there will be a next time if she gets the VP spot.

Otherwise it's a crap shoot.

Bird in hand.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 01:53:46 AM EST
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Re: My hope for Hillary (2.00 / 1)

 If the Democrats can get a veto proof majority (or coalition) in the House and Senate, Hillary could quite possibly use her stature and popularity to become one of history's greatest legislators - of either gender.
 And in 8 years we'll all be ready to elect her to the White House by affirmation.
by xdem on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 09:01:02 PM EST

Agreed (2.00 / 1)

Over the last couple of decades legislature has essentially abandoned its role in taking the initiative and actually writing legislation.  Initiative has been seeded to the White House and drafting legislation has been given over to lobbyists.

Clinton could, if she wanted, seize the initiative in drafting legislation on her most treasured issues.


by dbrown04 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 11:04:31 PM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

Not only could she draft it, but she could use her supporters from all 50 states Puerto Rico and Guam to push congress to get it passed.  If she can get even 1/4 of her 18 million supporters to pick up the phone to call their representatives she could create a lot of pressure on other congressional members.  She can also selectively encourage them to support helpful congressional members.  She could be freaking amazing!


by Renie on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 11:09:05 PM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

And yet she could do that as VP too. It's the VP's job to work with the Senate.

Really.

If she goes to the Senate she can kiss the presidency good bye

If she wanted to be Senator for life it strikes me that she would have kept her money and stayed Senator for live. With money.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 01:57:01 AM EST
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Depends on what Obama would let her do as VP (none / 0)

Personally, I think I'd rather see her be her own women in the Senate, take charge there, rather than have to always be checking with what's OK with Obama as VP.


by dbrown04 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:15:33 AM EST
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Re: Depends on what Obama would let her do as VP (none / 0)

Her own woman in the Senate? Pffss.

If she goes back to the Senate now?

LOL She want's to be president.

Going back to the Senate isn't going to make that happen.

If she goes back to the Senate she just runs the very real risk of becoming "an also ran". No presidential bid.

LOL And here I thought my granny was the only really fine practitioner of "bless your heart".

Ya'll don't really  believe this,"It's for her own good stuff do you?" LOL.

This is what they've been telling women for a long time. You can play your part by keeping the kids. But wait I want to fly F16s. No dear. Your job is at home. But I've got the training and I'm good at flying. No dear. See it doesn't matter what you think, we've decided that you're good at staying home.

Really none of us know what she's gonna do. And personally, I'm a veteran of this BS conversation.

Thing is she really does seem to want to be president. Seems all kinds of arrogant to tell her that she belongs in the Senate not in the White House. Not if what she wants to be is President. This doesn't placate.
Make it better? Ah heck no.

I just think that folks want her to leave because of the the voter turnout at the end of the primary and because they might think it will keep hope with Sen. Clinton's supporters. Might piss folks off in the General. If she goes quietly there are folks that figure that here supporters will give up. Go quietly.

Seems like a disservice to the 1/2 of the Democrats that voted for her. Sen. Obama should be offering an olive branch because frankly it's good business to.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 10:38:34 AM EST
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Re: My hope for Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I've been called niave for suggesting this, but I think Hillary Clinton's best future lies down a totally different path.  She should pass on the VP job (Obama should give it to whomever he wants), and they should agree to appoint her to the Supreme Court once a vacancy becomes available (which would happen soon).  

Clinton should then be a justice for eight years, throw herself into all of the great judicial issues of the day (and there are some great ones, because the Republicans have now challenged some basic principles of constitutional government).  Because she's so well known she'd humanize the Supreme Court (and make these issues real).

And then in 2016 she should run for president again.  She'd be in an enormously strong position at that point.  She'd be 68, would be vetted beyond all question, the hint of dynasticism which characterized her run this time would be gone (let's put aside the question of whether that was fair), and the political climate would be so different she wouldn't have to worry about factionalism.

And if she pulled this off, she'd so something which no other politician in American history has done: serve at the highest level in all three branches of government.  We've had a Supreme Court justice run for president before (Hughes in 1916), and a president who then moved to the court (Taft), but this would be the ultimate trifecta (being the first woman president would be the asterisk).

I call this the "What HRC should do if she wants Bill to be remembered by posterity as Hillary Clinton's husband" scenario (and what's remarkable is I think this would be in everyone's interests at this point, here talking just about the Democrats, and all they'd have to do now is put her on the court).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 09:29:23 PM EST

Re: My hope for Hillary (none / 0)

Which one of the Justices do you envision retiring/dying then?

I know to you they may all seem old and near death. But I'll wager that with  the exception of Sandra Day OConnor, most of those folks are gonna stay in their jobs until the untertaker comes to get them.

Really.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:00:36 AM EST
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DC has made itself more and more irrelevant (none / 0)

Al Gore is a shining example.

There's an old saying, "Lead, follow, or get the hell outa the way."  And DC - Administration and Congress - for the past decades has been pretty much useless.  

The first time I went there and eagerly grabbed a Washington Post, I was shocked.  It read like my home town (my tiny home town) newspaper.  This person had dinner with this person and guess who's doing this or that.  Good grief!

I saw DC brought to a standstill over Watergate and then fly right over the S&L debacle, Iran-Contra - blaming the little people while the leaders of the pack walked away in praise.  I saw Clinton's administration brought to practically a standstill because of the maliciousness of people who hated that he beat George H.W. Bush, the one "picked by Jesus."  Never mind what was happening in the world, to the world, "Let's get Clinton.!"

Obama says he wants change in that atmosphere.  Good luck!  


by Southern Mouth on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:23:59 PM EST

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And please god don't get fat and/or grow a beard.  I saw Gore at the first speech he gave post-2000 (2001 IA Jefferson Jackson Dinner) and he looked awful.


by skywaker9 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:35:23 PM EST

Re: My hope for Hillary (none / 0)

Unless there's something I don't know I don't think it's likely that she'll be growing a beard any time soon.


by Renie on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:40:10 PM EST
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My feelings exactly (none / 0)

I felt that Clinton stumbled most when trying to be a politician rather than just being herself.  In spite of all of the accusations of Hillary as the ultimate political animal, I actually think that she is quite bad at the political game.

The person she is quite extraordinary.  She's wasting her talents in the political arena.

Hillary has some really devoted followers at this point.  I hope she finds some way to galvanize them into a force.


by dbrown04 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:59:53 PM EST

Re: My feelings exactly (none / 0)

You know.

If I see someone who puts their money where their mouth is I take note. I figure this is a person who really does want the job.

Truthfully now. Don't you think that all this, "I think Hilary would be better off somewhere else." is kind of like when my Southern granny said,"bless your heart"

Kind of a polite passive agressive kiss off.

Really isn't what folks are really saying is,"I just wish she'd go way already."

ROFLMBO.

Sheesh.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:07:51 AM EST
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No, not at all (none / 0)

In fact, my fear is that she will just go away.  In the last two months of the campaign, Hillary Clinton really found herself.  Her campaign brought into high relief the challenges that women face.  One of the reasons that she resonated with so many women was that her experience trying to run for President was in spades what many of us wrestle with every day.  I would really like to see her capitalize on that connection and revelation.  Like the diarist, I'm just not sure that the VP is the place to do it.

Millions of pissed off women voted for her.  I don't want to just go away bitter.  I want all of this pain and effort to bear some real fruit.


by dbrown04 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:11:07 AM EST
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Re: No, not at all (none / 0)

Although they may not be people who are popular with Clinton supporters, Gore, Carter, and Dean are all politicians who have flourished outside of the executive branch.  

I totally agree with you that she found her voice on the campaign trail.  It would be awesome to watch her put it to use.  Obama will need her, Edwards, and his supporters to keep him honest if he wins the presidency.


by Renie on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:39:45 AM EST
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Re: No, not at all (none / 0)

Sen. Obama needs her so much? In the Senate?
LOL That's like telling someone they need your vote. Soon as they got it? You're lucky if they return your calls. My Southern granny must be laughin her head off. She'd be saying,

"Bless your heart Renie. Ya' know what they say.

Opinions everybody's got one." :D


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 10:56:41 AM EST
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Re: No, not at all (none / 0)

My comment above is my reply to both dBrown and Renie.

Sorry Renie, I wasn't calling you out. This is my response to both of ya.

Hope yall have a good week.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 11:28:20 AM EST
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Re: No, not at all (none / 0)

Obama will need everyone including his supporters to work to keep him honest.  Power is corrupting.


by Renie on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 01:30:51 PM EST
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Re: No, not at all (none / 0)

Well the best fruit that I can see is if she is on that ticket.

Otherwise, how has she done anything more than Geraldine Ferraro. Ferraro at least got on the ticket as VP for Walter Mondale. Sen. Clinton isn't even on the Dem. ticket. How is that helping women? Oh I know she campaigned on her own first. And got a heck of alot of votes. 1/2 the Dem Party vote. And yet she's not good enought to be even VP.

As for the VP slot. Does it bother any of ya'll that they're calling the VP job an empty job? We have to pay for the VP's expensive health care. Don't you think it would be aggrivating to know that folks tax dollars are going to pay for an "empty suits" healthcare when they might not be able to pay for their own healthcare.

As I mentioned in another section of this blog.
I want my VP to be more than an "empty suit".
Otherwise, what's the point. Can't we just elect the VP and send them home. Kind of like first runner up. Won't have to pay healthcare, security, housing. etc.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 05:47:19 PM EST
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Not true (none / 0)

I really think that you are misinterpreting what I'm saying.  First of all, you don't "run" for VP.  Putting pressure on someone really isn't a good idea in this situation.  Who will fill the VP slot is the biggest decision a presidential candidate has to make in their campaign.  It really doesn't make them look very presidential to have that decision made for them.  I said above and will say again that I have changed my position on Hillary being VP.  As long as she keeps up the unity talk, and agrees to follow Obama's lead I'm OK with it.  If you knew me personally you'd know that I'm not the kind of person who is capable of lying about my opinions.  I say what I mean and I mean what I say.  If I wanted Hillary to go away I would say so, and I have done so plenty of times this primary season.   For future reference my nature is aggressive-aggressive not passive-agressive. ;-)

Believe it or not I was impressed by her speech today, and I am looking back to how I felt about Hillary years ago.  I saw glimpses of that original Hillary in her speech today, and I think it would be great for this country if she would embrace her inner populist self.  

Both Hillary and Obama have made decisions over the past couple of years based on what they felt would help them politically.  That is the nature of national politics.  Hillary has been doing this more and more since she and Bill came into the White House.  Gore was that way while he was VP and running for president also.  It makes sense when the media is picking apart every word you say, but it's also stifling.  It makes it difficult for them to say what they really believe.

Also, unless your name is Dick Cheney, the VP position is kind of a lame political job to have.  I don't see Obama ceding power to anyone and so the VP will need to be someone who is content playing second fiddle.  I'm a strong willed person with an independent spirit.  I don't thrive when I have to follow rather than lead, and I think the same might be true for Hillary.  Furthermore I think that she could definitely set herself up for another presidential run without working within the confines of the executive branch.

She doesn't even need to be a senator, Gore has done a fabulous job without any political position at all.  Think of how amazing it would be if she were able to use her support base to get health care legislation passed.  It would shut up all of the doubters who ridiculed her 11 years ago.

I have been a vocal opponent to Hillary during the course of the campaign, but I've got to say that I like the Hillary I've seen in the last month or so  a whole lot better than the Hillary who voted for the war and for NCLB.  If she were to pick up and start using her support base and voice to do the work and fight for the issues that she promised to fight for I would donate to and volunteer in her presidential campaign 8 years from now.


by Renie on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:29:16 AM EST
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Respectfully.

Yes you do campaign for VP.

Edwards has been doing it quite a bit since he dropped out of the primaries. So have alot of others. You may not be on a ballot or in a caucus, but you definately are "campaigning" for the job.

Oh and it's not do nothing. VP work with the Senate. Eyes and ears in the Senate. Have office in with the Senators. If she's so good at helping Sen Obama in the Senate... ROFLMBO! Again it's like a politician saying, "You are important to me I really need your vote." Now how much that is true? Depends on the integrity of the politician. Unless. I may have missunderstood. Are you saying that Sen. Obama is going to treat his VP like an empty suit? I hope not. We pay taxes for VP's salary, upkeep, and security. It's expensive. At a time when folks don't have healthcare? To pay taxes for the health care of  a "do nothing" when you can't afford your own healthcare?

LOL! I want that VP to earn their keep.

Did I miss understand you?

LOL @ the "...stiffled voice...", well now ya' see that's your choice isn't. You aren't running for president. I'm glad that you are self aware. I wouldn't want to prevent you from going out and living your best life. Funny thing. She seems to think her best life will be as president.

Don't you want to support her desire to live her best life too?

Seems to me you don't think she belongs in the White House. Not at all. Which is certainly your decision. Thing is all that running to the very end of the primary would suggest she thought otherwise. :D

LOL. Now my granny would be saying,"Well bless your heart. Your words say " bee's honey sweet" but yer actions say, "Don't let the door hit ya on the way out of town." "Honey, I didn't miss understand you one bit.", my granny would've said, "I hear you loud and clear."

Seriously.

As a life long member of the "bless your heart club" my granny would be proud.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 11:24:35 AM EST
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Re: Not true (none / 0)

There's a big difference between sucking up because you want to be VP and having people start petitions and having big donors make demands from congress.  

All I can say is that you are flat out wrong, bless your heart.

P.S. Thanks for clarifying that southern "charm" is nothing more than a facade.  


by Renie on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 01:43:16 PM EST
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Re: Not true (none / 0)

You know Renie, I promised that If my sense of humor ever hurt anyone's feelings I would stop and take the time to straighten things out. Right then.

So Renie, I am so sorry if I hurt your feelings. It wasn't intentional.

By the way what do you know of the history of the 12 ammendment?

Also, is it true that the Obama Campaign hired Walter Mondale's VP head hunter? If so, you know what that means? Means the same fella that picked out Geraldine Ferraro for Mondale is going to be in charge of picking out Sen. Obama's VP.

Love to be a fly on that wall.

Anyway sorry if I offended. I certainly wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Happy weekend.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 05:31:37 PM EST
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